IP renumbering on Capitol Park sectors
As part of HamWAN plans to migrate to our larger allocation (44.25.x.x), we need to vacate addresses in use in 44.24. On impact of this is sector address pools for S1, S2 and S3 at Capitol Park. I will try to contact current users with static assignments but otherwise, I will be converting this site by this time next weekend unless someone raises a good case why I should delay. The new addresses will be 44.25.240.x and I will pre-assign static addresses for the active (connected) devices with static assignments currently. Thanks, -Doug- HamWAN NetOps
Hello, I have a concept I want to try to see if I can intercept a Hamwan signal using my Hamwan dish connected to my notebook in my truck. I built a Hamwan dish system that attaches to the trailer hitch of my truck that can remotely scan the sky in a xyz position searching for a Hamwan signal (Yes line of sight). I planned on trying this before the Hamwan was removed from Green/Gold Mountain and I never got to try it. Since I am driving in the dark to try this with zero experience, I would like to see if someone would be kind enough to answer the below questions? 1. What software do I need to install on my notebook for doing the search for a Hamwan station and to receive a Hamwan transmission? 2. Can you provide a screen shot of what I would see when I receive a Hamwan transmission? 3. For me to transmit to a Hamwan station do I need to use some code or special transmission script? 4. How often does a Hamwan station transmit or can I ping the Hamwan station as the dish moves to get aligned? Thank you for any help. Jerry N7YGE
Jerry, I’ll start you off and if anyone else has more they can chime in. The best starting point is the Client Node Configuration information on the HamWAN.org website at http://www.hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Config... In truth, the fact that you’re mobile really isn’t any different than setting up a fixed station, other than you have remote aiming capability. There are two pieces of software that can be used depending on your computer and preferences. WinBox is a windows application that allows you to work with the configuration and monitoring functions of your dish radio. You can used it to monitor received SSIDs, signal strength, and once associated with a sector, data throughput and other info. The other option is SSH, or secure shell. It is a command-line interface to the radio that gives you the same functions as WinBox, but through the command-line. Which one you use really comes down to personal preference. The signal put out from a HamWAN “cell” site is essentially normal WiFi, only the frequencies are in the Ham band. Once your dish can pick up a signal, it should show a HamWAN SSID and connect automatically. There’s no pre-setup or account needed to connect. The biggest challenge for aiming your dish is the same as setting up a fixed station – the aiming itself. Depending on how fine you aiming is in the X, Y, and Z directions, it’s a matter of “dialing” it in. If your motorized aiming steps are too “coarse”, you may “jump” right over your ideal bearing. A broad example of this is if you have 120 steps to cover 360 degrees, then you are moving 3 degrees per step. A rotator that has 360 steps for a full circle would do better than one with only 120 steps. Beyond that the challenges are the same. HamWAN signals are on full time, so there’s no “waiting” for a site to “ping”. At the moment we have a significant outage that folks are working to resolve. You should still be able to see and connect to any given site, but traffic isn’t getting out to the greater Internet at the moment. Good luck with your testing! Cheers, Rob From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Jerry N7YGE Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:24 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Intercept a HamWAN Station Hello, I have a concept I want to try to see if I can intercept a Hamwan signal using my Hamwan dish connected to my notebook in my truck. I built a Hamwan dish system that attaches to the trailer hitch of my truck that can remotely scan the sky in a xyz position searching for a Hamwan signal (Yes line of sight). I planned on trying this before the Hamwan was removed from Green/Gold Mountain and I never got to try it. Since I am driving in the dark to try this with zero experience, I would like to see if someone would be kind enough to answer the below questions? 1. What software do I need to install on my notebook for doing the search for a Hamwan station and to receive a Hamwan transmission? 2. Can you provide a screen shot of what I would see when I receive a Hamwan transmission? 3. For me to transmit to a Hamwan station do I need to use some code or special transmission script? 4. How often does a Hamwan station transmit or can I ping the Hamwan station as the dish moves to get aligned? Thank you for any help. Jerry N7YGE
Thank you very much Rob. I can take it from here with what you wrote. Should be a fun experiment. Pack a lunch and go play for the day. Jerry N7YGE From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Rob Salsgiver Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 2:36 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Intercept a HamWAN Station Jerry, I’ll start you off and if anyone else has more they can chime in. The best starting point is the Client Node Configuration information on the HamWAN.org website at http://www.hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Config... In truth, the fact that you’re mobile really isn’t any different than setting up a fixed station, other than you have remote aiming capability. There are two pieces of software that can be used depending on your computer and preferences. WinBox is a windows application that allows you to work with the configuration and monitoring functions of your dish radio. You can used it to monitor received SSIDs, signal strength, and once associated with a sector, data throughput and other info. The other option is SSH, or secure shell. It is a command-line interface to the radio that gives you the same functions as WinBox, but through the command-line. Which one you use really comes down to personal preference. The signal put out from a HamWAN “cell” site is essentially normal WiFi, only the frequencies are in the Ham band. Once your dish can pick up a signal, it should show a HamWAN SSID and connect automatically. There’s no pre-setup or account needed to connect. The biggest challenge for aiming your dish is the same as setting up a fixed station – the aiming itself. Depending on how fine you aiming is in the X, Y, and Z directions, it’s a matter of “dialing” it in. If your motorized aiming steps are too “coarse”, you may “jump” right over your ideal bearing. A broad example of this is if you have 120 steps to cover 360 degrees, then you are moving 3 degrees per step. A rotator that has 360 steps for a full circle would do better than one with only 120 steps. Beyond that the challenges are the same. HamWAN signals are on full time, so there’s no “waiting” for a site to “ping”. At the moment we have a significant outage that folks are working to resolve. You should still be able to see and connect to any given site, but traffic isn’t getting out to the greater Internet at the moment. Good luck with your testing! Cheers, Rob From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Jerry N7YGE Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:24 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Intercept a HamWAN Station Hello, I have a concept I want to try to see if I can intercept a Hamwan signal using my Hamwan dish connected to my notebook in my truck. I built a Hamwan dish system that attaches to the trailer hitch of my truck that can remotely scan the sky in a xyz position searching for a Hamwan signal (Yes line of sight). I planned on trying this before the Hamwan was removed from Green/Gold Mountain and I never got to try it. Since I am driving in the dark to try this with zero experience, I would like to see if someone would be kind enough to answer the below questions? 1. What software do I need to install on my notebook for doing the search for a Hamwan station and to receive a Hamwan transmission? 2. Can you provide a screen shot of what I would see when I receive a Hamwan transmission? 3. For me to transmit to a Hamwan station do I need to use some code or special transmission script? 4. How often does a Hamwan station transmit or can I ping the Hamwan station as the dish moves to get aligned? Thank you for any help. Jerry N7YGE
I'll give this a shot. First, I do want to make it clear that HamWAN nodes are in fixed locations. They are attached to buildings or certain locations on mountains. With a short database of the current nodes, and your current GPS locations, you can easily identify the exact azimuth and elevation needed to point your dish at the nearest node. HamWAN nodes operate on specific frequencies depending on the sector, basically the direction. This ensures that a node with a sector facing south does not interfere with another node with a north-facing sector. So your dish should also be targetting for these specific frequencies in order to identify the HamWAN signal. In MikroTik gear, you can configure the dish to use the exact frequencies and protocols used by HamWAN. Then, when you get a signal, it'll look pretty much identical to picking up an 802.11 WiFi signal; you'll see the name of the station and the signal strength. Maximizing that signal strength is the key, as the higher signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) means that your dish will be able to distinguish tiny changes to the signal's modulation, which means that those detectable changes can now carry data, which means that you will have a faster link to that other station, a faster link speed. I would recommend using your laptop to connect to the administrative settings of your dish so that you can view its configuration and see any other stations that it sees. HamWAN uses MikroTik gear, and in MikroTik you can directly log into to your dish using a web browser. Then as I said you can configure your dish to receive HamWAN signals and you can then see the list of stations that it sees, if any. -- Jesse Victors ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, April 17th, 2023 at 1:23 PM, Jerry N7YGE <n7yge@hctc.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have a concept I want to try to see if I can intercept a Hamwan signal using my Hamwan dish connected to my notebook in my truck. I built a Hamwan dish system that attaches to the trailer hitch of my truck that can remotely scan the sky in a xyz position searching for a Hamwan signal (Yes line of sight). I planned on trying this before the Hamwan was removed from Green/Gold Mountain and I never got to try it.
Since I am driving in the dark to try this with zero experience, I would like to see if someone would be kind enough to answer the below questions?
1. What software do I need to install on my notebook for doing the search for a Hamwan station and to receive a Hamwan transmission?
2. Can you provide a screen shot of what I would see when I receive a Hamwan transmission?
3. For me to transmit to a Hamwan station do I need to use some code or special transmission script?
4. How often does a Hamwan station transmit or can I ping the Hamwan station as the dish moves to get aligned?
Thank you for any help.
Jerry N7YGE
The below on the https://caltopo.com/m/5C7I shows a red line between Mile Hill and Baldi-MileHill. If I placed my Hamwan dish at the Mile Hill Coordinates and pointed it to Baldi, is it possible I might be able to make a connection? This may not be possible as I would not be at the same elevation of Mile Hill. Jerry N7YGE From: Jerry N7YGE [mailto:n7yge@hctc.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:24 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' Subject: Intercept a HamWAN Station Hello, I have a concept I want to try to see if I can intercept a Hamwan signal using my Hamwan dish connected to my notebook in my truck. I built a Hamwan dish system that attaches to the trailer hitch of my truck that can remotely scan the sky in a xyz position searching for a Hamwan signal (Yes line of sight). I planned on trying this before the Hamwan was removed from Green/Gold Mountain and I never got to try it. Since I am driving in the dark to try this with zero experience, I would like to see if someone would be kind enough to answer the below questions? 1. What software do I need to install on my notebook for doing the search for a Hamwan station and to receive a Hamwan transmission? 2. Can you provide a screen shot of what I would see when I receive a Hamwan transmission? 3. For me to transmit to a Hamwan station do I need to use some code or special transmission script? 4. How often does a Hamwan station transmit or can I ping the Hamwan station as the dish moves to get aligned? Thank you for any help. Jerry N7YGE
I’ve had good luck with this tool https://www.heywhatsthat.com/profiler.html Put both coordinates in this tool and you’ll get an idea if mountains or hills are in the way. A visual spot is always the best. 73 Paul WF7U
On May 9, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Jerry N7YGE <n7yge@hctc.com> wrote:
The below on the https://caltopo.com/m/5C7I shows a red line between Mile Hill and Baldi-MileHill. If I placed my Hamwan dish at the Mile Hill Coordinates and pointed it to Baldi, is it possible I might be able to make a connection?
This may not be possible as I would not be at the same elevation of Mile Hill.
Jerry N7YGE
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From: Jerry N7YGE [mailto:n7yge@hctc.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:24 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' Subject: Intercept a HamWAN Station
Hello, I have a concept I want to try to see if I can intercept a Hamwan signal using my Hamwan dish connected to my notebook in my truck. I built a Hamwan dish system that attaches to the trailer hitch of my truck that can remotely scan the sky in a xyz position searching for a Hamwan signal (Yes line of sight). I planned on trying this before the Hamwan was removed from Green/Gold Mountain and I never got to try it.
Since I am driving in the dark to try this with zero experience, I would like to see if someone would be kind enough to answer the below questions?
1. What software do I need to install on my notebook for doing the search for a Hamwan station and to receive a Hamwan transmission? 2. Can you provide a screen shot of what I would see when I receive a Hamwan transmission? 3. For me to transmit to a Hamwan station do I need to use some code or special transmission script? 4. How often does a Hamwan station transmit or can I ping the Hamwan station as the dish moves to get aligned?
Thank you for any help.
Jerry N7YGE
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