Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
Dale, The PtP dishes use different radios than the sectors/clients, but if the link was good enough it should work to point one of the existing PtP dishes to your QTH. (The PtP radios are the NetMetal radios and they only support 20Mhz channels, the sectors/clients are normally 5Mhz or 10Mhz, but can be put on 20Mhz) I am guessing someone considered linking BawFaw to Baldi, but that would be challenging. The only tower that is in right orientation is also maxed out, so we'd have to remove something else to add this PtP dish. There is already work planned this summer at Baldi, so we can consider what would be required to do it while on site. Thanks Kenny On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 2:00 PM Dale Skyllingstad < dskyllingstad@harbornet.com> wrote:
Are there any plans to work on Bawfaw?
Since Bawfaw is an island on the network [no]thanks to DNR, a client node at my host in Chehalis is backfeeding the sector via a VPN. One possibility I've thought of is to swing one of the unused PtP dishes toward Chehalis, since we're only getting a couple Mb/s to that site with the sector backfeed config. I believe at least two dishes that pointed at DNR sites are still up there.
Of course, the best solution is to get the Bawfaw island back onto the network. But I'm not sure there are currently any feasible PtP paths to that site.
Bawfaw also needs cable replacement; Bart and I made a temporary fix two years ago to keep water that had gotten into the cable out of the PoE injectors after a failure.
Dale AH6ET
-------- Original message -------- From: Kenny Richards <richark@gmail.com> Date: 3/20/23 1:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> Cc: netops@hamwan.org, Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
Baldi
1. Replacement sectors / hardware to upgrade to dual band (I have all the hardware now) 2. Replacement NetMetal / Dish to replace Beacon.Baldi PtP, if in fact it is needed to bring this link back online. (I have the netmetal and will work out the dish with Doug) 3. ToDo: Re-IP the three sectors and move off the 44.24.240.x subnet (I will do this when configuring the sectors prior to installation) 1. Depending on how many static IP / links have been set up on the sectors, I might need some help here.
ETiger
1. Get approval again from Rich-KF7BJI to install the 60Ghz link hardware and HamWAN router in the Silke building 1. Install 60Ghz radio/antenna on Silke tower (I am hoping it will fit on the same mount as the POV camera) 2. Run new Cat5e cable (the cable run and mounts are already installed when I remounted the camera several years ago) 3. Install the HamWAN router in the rack, create link to Silke router and move the POV camera over to HamWAN router 2. Get approval again from PSRRG to install the other end of the 60Ghz link at the main site 1. Will require installing the 60Ghz antenna/radio on tower (A spot was identified a couple years ago, hoping still available) 2. Install cat5 mounts, since they didn't seem to be installed previously and run new cat5 into hut 3. possibly shift around devices on R1.etiger to open up port for new radio
I am guessing doing #2 first makes more sense and then completing #1. Probably the biggest challenge is lining up the approvals again (was originally all done pre-Covid and pre-DNR mess). Besides getting the ETiger camera back, the on other long term benefit is being able to add another PtP to the Silke tower and/or another sector.(I am now leaning to another PtP link if a target can be identified, like Buck?)
Buck - I completely forgot about this one in my original e-mail...
1. biological interference maintenance / removal 2. Move the now dead Gold.Buck PtP to point to another site and re-enable a second link into the site. 3. Anything else Rob?
Thanks Kenny
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:52 AM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
What do you need for both sites Kenny? If we can get a list together we can see what is needed that we don’t already have and get it ordered. Lead times are my biggest concern here.
Rob
*From:* Kenny Richards [mailto:richark@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 9:48 AM *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring *Cc:* netops@hamwan.org; Rob Salsgiver *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
While #1 (Baldi) is at the top of my list to get done this year, I'd also like to make some progress on ETiger if I can line up the approvals. Specifically I'd like to put in a 60Ghz link between the two buildings (removing the need for using a sector), add a HamWAN router to the second building and finally fix the camera. I think the ETiger camera was one of the most popular for people outside of HamWAN.
Thanks
Kenny
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:09 PM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
Good evening all,
It’s that time of year again where we need to start putting together the list of projects to try to accomplish for the year.
I would like to get input from anyone who has a project they would like to see accomplished this year. Priority focus will be on those items requiring mountain top access as those are our most time or weather sensitive items.
Below is a starting list of projects I know at least bits about:
1) Baldi visit – upgrade sectors to MIMO and/or PTP work(?)
2) Lookout visit – effect repairs on Lookout/SnoDEM PTP dish (likely cable fault)
3) Indianola setup – in process / being finished by Doug and others
What else? As mentioned, it doesn’t need to be a site/tower project, but those are the primary focus during good weather.
Let me know and I’ll get it on the list so we can try to gather and coordinate resources as needed.
Cheers,
Rob Salsgiver – NR3O
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Sounds good. The Chehalis site has good LoS to Bawfaw. I think our performance hit may be coming from being on the edge of sector 1. I did propose creating a Baldi link after we set up the backfeed. While there is LoS, it was thought to be too long at 82 miles to be reliable, especially during inclement weather. I don't have much experience with long distance PtP, so I can't really make an educated prediction of its performance. It might be something to try, at least until we can build a closer site. Dale AH6ET On 3/20/2023 2:14 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
Dale,
The PtP dishes use different radios than the sectors/clients, but if the link was good enough it should work to point one of the existing PtP dishes to your QTH. (The PtP radios are the NetMetal radios and they only support 20Mhz channels, the sectors/clients are normally 5Mhz or 10Mhz, but can be put on 20Mhz)
I am guessing someone considered linking BawFaw to Baldi, but that would be challenging. The only tower that is in right orientation is also maxed out, so we'd have to remove something else to add this PtP dish. There is already work planned this summer at Baldi, so we can consider what would be required to do it while on site.
Thanks Kenny
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 2:00 PM Dale Skyllingstad <dskyllingstad@harbornet.com> wrote:
Are there any plans to work on Bawfaw?
Since Bawfaw is an island on the network [no]thanks to DNR, a client node at my host in Chehalis is backfeeding the sector via a VPN. One possibility I've thought of is to swing one of the unused PtP dishes toward Chehalis, since we're only getting a couple Mb/s to that site with the sector backfeed config. I believe at least two dishes that pointed at DNR sites are still up there.
Of course, the best solution is to get the Bawfaw island back onto the network. But I'm not sure there are currently any feasible PtP paths to that site.
Bawfaw also needs cable replacement; Bart and I made a temporary fix two years ago to keep water that had gotten into the cable out of the PoE injectors after a failure.
Dale AH6ET
-------- Original message -------- From: Kenny Richards <richark@gmail.com> Date: 3/20/23 1:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> Cc: netops@hamwan.org, Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
Baldi
1. Replacement sectors / hardware to upgrade to dual band (I have all the hardware now) 2. Replacement NetMetal / Dish to replace Beacon.Baldi PtP, if in fact it is needed to bring this link back online. (I have the netmetal and will work out the dish with Doug) 3. ToDo: Re-IP the three sectors and move off the 44.24.240.x subnet (I will do this when configuring the sectors prior to installation) 1. Depending on how many static IP / links have been set up on the sectors, I might need some help here.
ETiger
1. Get approval again from Rich-KF7BJI to install the 60Ghz link hardware and HamWAN router in the Silke building 1. Install 60Ghz radio/antenna on Silke tower (I am hoping it will fit on the same mount as the POV camera) 2. Run new Cat5e cable (the cable run and mounts are already installed when I remounted the camera several years ago) 3. Install the HamWAN router in the rack, create link to Silke router and move the POV camera over to HamWAN router 2. Get approval again from PSRRG to install the other end of the 60Ghz link at the main site 1. Will require installing the 60Ghz antenna/radio on tower (A spot was identified a couple years ago, hoping still available) 2. Install cat5 mounts, since they didn't seem to be installed previously and run new cat5 into hut 3. possibly shift around devices on R1.etiger to open up port for new radio
I am guessing doing #2 first makes more sense and then completing #1. Probably the biggest challenge is lining up the approvals again (was originally all done pre-Covid and pre-DNR mess). Besides getting the ETiger camera back, the on other long term benefit is being able to add another PtP to the Silke tower and/or another sector.(I am now leaning to another PtP link if a target can be identified, like Buck?)
Buck - I completely forgot about this one in my original e-mail...
1. biological interference maintenance / removal 2. Move the now dead Gold.Buck PtP to point to another site and re-enable a second link into the site. 3. Anything else Rob?
Thanks Kenny
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:52 AM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
What do you need for both sites Kenny? If we can get a list together we can see what is needed that we don’t already have and get it ordered. Lead times are my biggest concern here.
Rob
*From:*Kenny Richards [mailto:richark@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 9:48 AM *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring *Cc:* netops@hamwan.org; Rob Salsgiver *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
While #1 (Baldi) is at the top of my list to get done this year, I'd also like to make some progress on ETiger if I can line up the approvals. Specifically I'd like to put in a 60Ghz link between the two buildings (removing the need for using a sector), add a HamWAN router to the second building and finally fix the camera. I think the ETiger camera was one of the most popular for people outside of HamWAN.
Thanks
Kenny
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:09 PM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
Good evening all,
It’s that time of year again where we need to start putting together the list of projects to try to accomplish for the year.
I would like to get input from anyone who has a project they would like to see accomplished this year. Priority focus will be on those items requiring mountain top access as those are our most time or weather sensitive items.
Below is a starting list of projects I know at least bits about:
1)Baldi visit – upgrade sectors to MIMO and/or PTP work(?)
2)Lookout visit – effect repairs on Lookout/SnoDEM PTP dish (likely cable fault)
3)Indianola setup – in process / being finished by Doug and others
What else? As mentioned, it doesn’t need to be a site/tower project, but those are the primary focus during good weather.
Let me know and I’ll get it on the list so we can try to gather and coordinate resources as needed.
Cheers,
Rob Salsgiver – NR3O
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Dale, Sorry about getting your hopes up about a link to Baldi, I just saw someone had run the plots and that there was a clear LOS. I agree an 82 mile shot is going to be tough... Thanks Kenny On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 3:45 PM Dale Skyllingstad < dskyllingstad@harbornet.com> wrote:
Sounds good. The Chehalis site has good LoS to Bawfaw. I think our performance hit may be coming from being on the edge of sector 1.
I did propose creating a Baldi link after we set up the backfeed. While there is LoS, it was thought to be too long at 82 miles to be reliable, especially during inclement weather. I don't have much experience with long distance PtP, so I can't really make an educated prediction of its performance. It might be something to try, at least until we can build a closer site.
Dale AH6ET
On 3/20/2023 2:14 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
Dale,
The PtP dishes use different radios than the sectors/clients, but if the link was good enough it should work to point one of the existing PtP dishes to your QTH. (The PtP radios are the NetMetal radios and they only support 20Mhz channels, the sectors/clients are normally 5Mhz or 10Mhz, but can be put on 20Mhz)
I am guessing someone considered linking BawFaw to Baldi, but that would be challenging. The only tower that is in right orientation is also maxed out, so we'd have to remove something else to add this PtP dish. There is already work planned this summer at Baldi, so we can consider what would be required to do it while on site.
Thanks Kenny
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 2:00 PM Dale Skyllingstad < dskyllingstad@harbornet.com> wrote:
Are there any plans to work on Bawfaw?
Since Bawfaw is an island on the network [no]thanks to DNR, a client node at my host in Chehalis is backfeeding the sector via a VPN. One possibility I've thought of is to swing one of the unused PtP dishes toward Chehalis, since we're only getting a couple Mb/s to that site with the sector backfeed config. I believe at least two dishes that pointed at DNR sites are still up there.
Of course, the best solution is to get the Bawfaw island back onto the network. But I'm not sure there are currently any feasible PtP paths to that site.
Bawfaw also needs cable replacement; Bart and I made a temporary fix two years ago to keep water that had gotten into the cable out of the PoE injectors after a failure.
Dale AH6ET
-------- Original message -------- From: Kenny Richards <richark@gmail.com> Date: 3/20/23 1:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> Cc: netops@hamwan.org, Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
Baldi
1. Replacement sectors / hardware to upgrade to dual band (I have all the hardware now) 2. Replacement NetMetal / Dish to replace Beacon.Baldi PtP, if in fact it is needed to bring this link back online. (I have the netmetal and will work out the dish with Doug) 3. ToDo: Re-IP the three sectors and move off the 44.24.240.x subnet (I will do this when configuring the sectors prior to installation) 1. Depending on how many static IP / links have been set up on the sectors, I might need some help here.
ETiger
1. Get approval again from Rich-KF7BJI to install the 60Ghz link hardware and HamWAN router in the Silke building 1. Install 60Ghz radio/antenna on Silke tower (I am hoping it will fit on the same mount as the POV camera) 2. Run new Cat5e cable (the cable run and mounts are already installed when I remounted the camera several years ago) 3. Install the HamWAN router in the rack, create link to Silke router and move the POV camera over to HamWAN router 2. Get approval again from PSRRG to install the other end of the 60Ghz link at the main site 1. Will require installing the 60Ghz antenna/radio on tower (A spot was identified a couple years ago, hoping still available) 2. Install cat5 mounts, since they didn't seem to be installed previously and run new cat5 into hut 3. possibly shift around devices on R1.etiger to open up port for new radio
I am guessing doing #2 first makes more sense and then completing #1. Probably the biggest challenge is lining up the approvals again (was originally all done pre-Covid and pre-DNR mess). Besides getting the ETiger camera back, the on other long term benefit is being able to add another PtP to the Silke tower and/or another sector.(I am now leaning to another PtP link if a target can be identified, like Buck?)
Buck - I completely forgot about this one in my original e-mail...
1. biological interference maintenance / removal 2. Move the now dead Gold.Buck PtP to point to another site and re-enable a second link into the site. 3. Anything else Rob?
Thanks Kenny
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:52 AM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
What do you need for both sites Kenny? If we can get a list together we can see what is needed that we don’t already have and get it ordered. Lead times are my biggest concern here.
Rob
*From:* Kenny Richards [mailto:richark@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 9:48 AM *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring *Cc:* netops@hamwan.org; Rob Salsgiver *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 2023 HamWAN season projects - INPUT NEEDED!
While #1 (Baldi) is at the top of my list to get done this year, I'd also like to make some progress on ETiger if I can line up the approvals. Specifically I'd like to put in a 60Ghz link between the two buildings (removing the need for using a sector), add a HamWAN router to the second building and finally fix the camera. I think the ETiger camera was one of the most popular for people outside of HamWAN.
Thanks
Kenny
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:09 PM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
Good evening all,
It’s that time of year again where we need to start putting together the list of projects to try to accomplish for the year.
I would like to get input from anyone who has a project they would like to see accomplished this year. Priority focus will be on those items requiring mountain top access as those are our most time or weather sensitive items.
Below is a starting list of projects I know at least bits about:
1) Baldi visit – upgrade sectors to MIMO and/or PTP work(?)
2) Lookout visit – effect repairs on Lookout/SnoDEM PTP dish (likely cable fault)
3) Indianola setup – in process / being finished by Doug and others
What else? As mentioned, it doesn’t need to be a site/tower project, but those are the primary focus during good weather.
Let me know and I’ll get it on the list so we can try to gather and coordinate resources as needed.
Cheers,
Rob Salsgiver – NR3O
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